Cedar’s Oracle Talent Acquisition Cloud Event / Team

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Earlier this week Cedar held its Oracle Talent Acquisition Cloud event in Oracle’s London City office. We have a really strong team of UK-based Talent Acquisition specialists within our ranks:

Taleo Team 2 (plain background)

Jo, Prachi, Marc and Mel are all experts in the various aspects of Oracle Talent Aquisition Cloud – Taleo Recruit, Sourcing and Onboarding – and Cedar has multiple implementations under our belt covering all of the above products, so we were able to put on a seminar with strong content.

I’ve put a post on the Cedar blog with lots of photos from the day here.


HCM Cloud vs Workday – the Latest Figures

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Both Oracle and Workday have recently announced figures for their Cloud application suites and it’s interesting to see how they both compare.

In its Q4 results Workday stated that they have 1,528 HCM customers with 136 of the Fortune 500, plus 320 financials customers. 70% of their HCM customers are live.

In its recent Analyst Briefing Oracle shared that they have 1,600+ HCM customers with 275+ of the Fortune 500, and 3000+ financials customers. 1,000 of their customers are live (giving a figure of 62.5%).

Here’s what that looks like in pictures:


(Taking Oracle’s figures of 1,600+ and 1,000+ as 1,600 and 1,000)



(The Fortune 500 is an annual list compiled and published by Fortune magazine that ranks 500 of the largest U.S. corporations by total revenue for their respective fiscal years. This chart assumes that no corporation has both HCM Cloud and Workday. It also takes Oracle’s 275+ figure as 275.)



(Taking Oracle’s figures of 3,000+ as 3,000)




What’s new in Release 12 for OTBI

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There’s a lot to like about the improvements in the imminent release 12 applications, however one of the largest jumps forwards is with OTBI – the ad-hoc analysis tool within the Oracle Cloud. Last week I attended a great webinar from Oracle on the enhancements that R12 introduces.

New Subject Areas

As with every release, Oracle have introduced some new subject areas:

Workforce Learning – Learning Management Real Time

For the new learning application you can see which is the most popular learning item, or which is the toughest to complete or who produces the most learning content.

Payroll – Payroll Balances Real Time

Reporting on payroll balances (also back-ported to R11). This enables access to all elements and deductions, and can report on all payroll runs.

Workforce Talent Review – Talent Review Tasks Real Time

Allows reporting on tasks during the talent review cycle, to track the progress of tasks eg. what percentage of workers have completed certain tasks.

Human Capital Management – Approval Notification Archival Real Time

Allows reporting on task approvals that have been completed. There is a time dimension so this is ideal for tracking the number of approvals within certain periods.

Enhancements to existing Subject Areas

Reporting on Managers of Terminated Workers

This is something that has been an issue for one of Cedar’s clients, and this fix will be warmly received by them.

Work Relationship Real Time – Non Primary Work Relationships

Non-primary work relationships now show.

New Dimension – Parent Manager

Within the worker dimension within all subject areas, we now have a number of parent manager name and number fields, allowing us to see the complete manager hierarchy.

New Dimension – Person Schedule Assignment

Allows reporting on an employee’s Work Schedule. This will also be warmly received as we’ve had to create BIP reports for this previously.

New Dimension – Person Schedule Assignment Exception

Allows reporting on exceptions to schedules.

New Dimension – Review Period

Under Performance and Goals, we can now report on the periods associated with performance review.

New Dimension – Criticality

Allows reporting on how critical a job or position is.

New Dimension – Previous Employment

Can contain the worker’s previous employer and the details of that employment.

New Dimension – Talent Score

Exposes the rating scores awarded during a Talent Review meeting.

New Dimension – Technical Post

Report on an employee’s technical posts.

New Dimension – Benefit Legal Disclaimer

Report on Benefits Enrollments that have happened with or without legal disclaimers.

New Dimension – Benefit Person Habits

Tobacco type usage, disability status, medical plan.

New Dimensions – Qualification Plan Participation, Certifications

Enhanced Dimensions – Person Profile Real Time

Added attributes within Licences and Certs, Risk of Loss and Special Projects.

Enhanced Dimensions – Person Names

Additional attributes to allow more names for a worker.

OBI EE Enhancements

Subject Area Search

This is going to save a fair amount of time for those getting up to speed with what’s in each Subject Area.

Save Column As

Easily clone a column. Formatting and formulae are preserved.

New Print and Export Options

HTML 5 style

The default graph style has changed from Flash to HTML5.

It matters where your SaaS is hosted

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2017-01-16-00_32_50-photosIn the World of Software as a Service (SaaS) solutions the hosting of the application is taken care of for you. You don’t need to worry where your data is hosted, or which company the hosting is outsourced to, right? That’s probably not the case. You’ll want to take careful notice of what happens to your data.

In many cases the company you pay for the service isn’t the one that hosts the servers. An example of this is SAP, who’ve signed a deal to host the SuccessFactors suite on Microsoft’s Azure.

It also appears that Workday might be running DEV and TEST in the IBM Cloud with PROD running in Amazon Web Services.


Finally, Salesforce has been moving their internal infrastructure towards AWS for a while.

SaaS vendors have the choice of either running it on their own Infrastructure as a Service (IaaS) offering, or outsourcing it to someone else. However, the alternatives are shrinking with another cloud provider announcing that they are closing only last month when Cisco decided to shutter their $1bn Cloud.

Of course, any time the responsibility for the success of the service that you’re buying is split over multiple companies – each with their own priorities – it introduces risk. Everything becomes harder for the SaaS vendor to manage, not just in terms of manpower and automation, but security necessarily becomes more complicated. Also, when the SaaS vendor’s deal with one hosting partner ends and they choose to move to another vendor, your servers and data will need to be transitioned over. These are activities that the SaaS vendor DevOps teams will be involved in that don’t enhance your service at all and that you don’t have any choice over.

The SaaS vendor I’ve not mentioned so far is – of course – Oracle. Oracle makes much of owning the complete stack for running a SaaS application. It has its own IaaS business and manages the hosting of all of its SaaS offerings itself rather than outsourcing it to another company. This is clearly a simpler arrangement with no between-company conflicts, leading to a more efficient and more secure solution.

I think it’s clear why this is important and which vendor has chosen the best approach.

SAP SuccessFactors moving to Azure
Workday Split between IBM and AWS
Salesforce moves to AWS
Cisco Closes its $1bn Cloud

The Shift to Quarterly Updates

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At the start of November Oracle announced that the frequency of the Oracle Cloud Apps application update cycles is changing.

Old – Monthly Updates

Up until now we’ve been working with the monthly update cycle, meaning that on the 1st Friday of every month our test environment(s) get the updates which then flow into Production on the 3rd Friday of each month. The upside of this is that we got our fixes every month, however the downside was that we got our fixes every month! This meant two weeks of testing every month testing and a two week ‘blackout’ period where P2T (Production to Test environment refreshes) could not be scheduled.

So, the calendar would look something like this:


where red days are the Test updates, green days are the Production updates and the purple days are the blackout days. Therefore you could only schedule a P2T on the days that weren’t red, green or purple – which worked out at only 8-9 days per month.

New – Quarterly Updates

We’re now in a world where our updates will mostly come quarterly. Is this a good thing? On balance, yes, it probably is. It certainly means less disruption to customers’ business-as-usual activities, less effort required for testing and it gives more alternatives when trying to schedule P2Ts. The downside is – of course – that the fixes arrive less frequently.

Now the calendar looks more like this:


There are a lot more gaps for P2T refreshes in the new calendar.

But I liked the Monthly Updates …

Oracle have provided a solution for this too, in that if you require monthly updates for a period of time – perhaps during implementation – then you can opt back in to the more frequent release cadence. You can only opt back out to quarterly patches when the next quarterly patch comes around, however, so you can’t just take a single monthly patch.

So, if the quarterly updates are due in February and May, but you want the monthly update in March, then you’ll also have to take the monthly update in April before you can return to the quarterly cadence.

Please note: the infrastructure update cadence (as needed, but approximately quarterly) and the upgrade cadence (once or twice a year) has not changed.

Adoption of the ‘Big 3’ SaaS Suites

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Bill Kutik’s regular handicapping of the ‘big 3’ SaaS vendors is an interesting read. The most recent entry can be found here.

Bill goes through each of SAP/SuccessFactors, Oracle and Workday in turn and gives an update on customer numbers however, I think it’s easier to view in a graph:


Here we can see that SuccessFactors has 1,250 HCM customers (on Employee Central) and 1,900 on their Financials solution (S/4 HANA ERP).

Oracle is slightly ahead with HCM Cloud Core HR customer numbers, and far ahead with ERP Cloud.

Workday is another 50 customers ahead with their HCM offering, but at a fraction of the customer count on the Financials side.

Also worth noting is that Oracle’s figures are from May 2016, SAP’s from Jun 16 and Workday’s from Sept 16, so this direct comparison is probably unfair to SAP and particularly Oracle as they are likely to have gained new customers in the interim.

Larry’s OOW16 Sunday Keynote

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Larry’s Sunday night keynote at OpenWorld is always good value. He’s a rare beast in that he’s a CEO (or now ex-CEO) who can talk the language of the business but also gets the tech behind it. He litters his slide commentary with digs at the competition which is always entertaining too.

So, what were the big ticket items that impact us in the world of Oracle Cloud this year?


In a move clearly aimed at Government departments and companies with stringent security requirements, Larry announced Cloud@Customer.

The service provides the same hardware and software as that which runs in the Oracle Public Cloud, but behind your firewall. It’s managed by Oracle and you don’t pay for the hardware, it’s all part of the subscription pricing. Larry said that it’s the same price as if it were in Oracle’s Cloud too, which would be amazing if that comes to pass as the Cloud is normally significantly cheaper.

My understanding of this is that it’s not ‘HCM/ERP Cloud within your Firewall’, unless you subscribe to Cloud@Customer as infrastructure and then install HCM Cloud yourself.

Cloud Adoption – ERP

Larry also talked about the customer success that the Cloud applications have been gaining, and contrasted it with the competitors.

He showed this slide comparing the breadth of the ERP Cloud functionality vs Workday Financials:


Larry went on to say that ERP Cloud has 10x the number of Workday Financials customers, but that Workday are not catching up – ERP Cloud has twice their growth rate.

These were the numbers and geographic spread as-of the end of Oracle’s Q4, there’s another 200 on top of these now.


Cloud Adoption – HCM

Larry surprised many by announcing that HCM Cloud is selling 2.5x as fast as Workday (900 new customers in FY16, compared to Workday’s 318).


Aggressive Competition with Amazon

Now that Larry believes that the SaaS and PaaS areas of the Oracle Cloud stack are moving along nicely he drew focus onto the Infrastructure as a Service area. He announced that Oracle are going to compete much more aggressively with Amazon in this space, showing some comparisons where Oracle Public Cloud delivers more power for less money than an equivalent AWS instance.

More Tools for Building Cloud Apps

Larry announced more functionality within the Oracle Developer Cloud, including wider language support, more APIs and better integration. He also announced a development platform for extending the SaaS applications without writing any code, which he then went on to demo with a fun chatbot application:


Slick and amusing, it showed a chat based interaction between Larry and the Oracle Cloud (touching on both procurement and HCM). Of course, this is only the next step – voice interaction is the logical next one – however, it’s functionality that keeps Oracle ahead of the competition.

Machine Learning

Some of the OOW announcements are “the product is Generally Available” and some are more of an “it’s in the medium-term future” announcement. Larry’s announcement of Machine Learning AI felt a little more like the latter, however, in the near future we can expect our Cloud applications to apply machine learning algorithms to predict business decisions, such as Optimised Payment Terms in ERP and Best-Fit Candidates in HCM.

The full keynote can be seen here.